I just don't answer that one usually. I consider it a living real thing. I think their are different places a mind can go and that mind is big with everyone. I put my moral development above other spiritual realities. I don't think it is always easy to be kind considerate and loving. I believe a person has to work at those things. I know that the effect I have on others is very important to me. I want people to be happier and believe that is connected to me. The world needs as much joy as we can find. Sure I have other spiritual stuff in my life and from things not in the bible. It is a tough world so I do as poor people have done to make it work.